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declaring child survey in Stata [message #3914] 
Thu, 05 March 2015 11:04 
musti
Messages: 7 Registered: December 2014 Location: UK

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Dear Sir/Madam,
I am using 2003 and 2008 child data of Turkey Demographic and Health survey.
With the recommendation of my friend, I pooled 2003 and 2008 data sets. But there is a problem. The pooled data has only v000, v001, v002, v003, v005, v008 variables to declare the survey data in to stata. And when I tried to declare the survey data set to stata 11.2. i had the following results. Apperently it says "stage 1 is sampled with replacement; all further stages will be ignored."
. svyset v001 [pweight=v005], vce(linearized) singleunit(missing) v002 v003
Note: stage 1 is sampled with replacement; all further stages will be ignored
pweight: v005
VCE: linearized
Single unit: missing
Strata 1: <one>
SU 1: v001
FPC 1: <zero>
But i am sure the design of this survey has more than one stages. taking into consideration this fact, the following variables seem relevant:v004, v021, v022, v023. But i have no idea how to use them to declare the data set into stata. And which one of these variable i need to use to define the survey?
Stage 1 sampling units strata finite pop correction
Stage 2 sampling units strata finite pop correction
.......... ,,,,, ..................
.......... ...... .................
What is the sampling units, strata and finite pop correction in each stage for DHS child data or does it change for child data and mother data?
2)the other question is whether or not i need to declare data set as survey in order to get correct results for regression, especially Difference in Difference and IV.
3) Another question is related to sample weight. I divided my sample weight variable with the correct denominator. But now i do not know how to use it?
in the section where stata define your survey data there is another section for sample weight. if i enter my sample weight there, will the problem be solved???
if i do not use survey command for calculation of regression or tables in final reports how should i use sample weight?
4)From guide to DHS statistics:
In SPSS using the WEIGHT command with the weight variable:
COMPUTE rweight = V005/1000000
WEIGHT by rweight.
b) In ISSA using the weight parameter
rweight = V005/1000000
x = xtab(table1, rweight).
How should i write the above commands in stata 11.2? for a regression and table with or without defining the survey data?
5) lets say i need to enter the V004, v021, v022, v023. are these variable standart and so i can directly copy pasted 20008 under 2003?
Thank you in advance for your valuable comments,
regards
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Re: declaring child survey in Stata [message #3921 is a reply to message #3914] 
Fri, 06 March 2015 11:14 
musti
Messages: 7 Registered: December 2014 Location: UK

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1) By the way,
in 2008 TDHS V022(stratum number) has no observation.
when i browse V023(sample domain), the only value it has is national. it is shown as V023 national national national national national.................
V021(primary sampling unit) has values 101 101 101 102 102 102 103 103 103 104 104 104 104.......................
And I have V024(region) west west west west....... south south ...... central central central central..... north north north.....
east east east.....
http://www.hips.hacettepe.edu.tr/eng/tdhs08/TDHS2008_Main_R eport.pdf
When i check TDHS 2008 main report from the above link related to sample selection in the appendix page 209, it says staratification is done for region, then IT SAYS REGIONAL BREAKDOWN EXTENDED TO nuts 1,2,3 regions. Page 209 describes this. I put A few lineS of the table describing the stratums.
tab V024
Region Freq. Percent Cum.
West 651 16.88 16.88
South 497 12.89 29.76
Central 666 17.27 47.03
North 352 9.13 56.16
East 1,691 43.84 100.00
Total 3,857 100.00
tab V024
Region Freq. Percent Cum.
West 651 16.88 16.88
South 497 12.89 29.76
Central 666 17.27 47.03
North 352 9.13 56.16
East 1,691 43.84 100.00
Total 3,857 100.00
And in the appendix, table b1(page 209) of TDHS main report(the file size was too large so i gave the link to the file)
Table B1 list of strata by region, Nuts 1 region, residence, type and province, turkey 2008.
Stratum Region Nuts 1 region Type Province
1 west IStanbul urban/metropol istanbul
2 west istanbul rural istanbul
. .... ....... ............. ........
15 Cental west urban/metropol ........
anatolia
............................................................ ......
............................................................ .........
32 east Central east .................................
anatolia
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////
36 east South east anatolia /////////////////////////////
My question is whether or not V024 is strata in this case? and Psu is V001????
2) secondly, in my reasearch question, i will put the regions as independent variable. does this means FOR regional breakdown(strata) i need to use 12 sub regions. BECAUSE I WILL USE NUTS REGIONS, WHICH ARE MORE THAN 5 (V024 HAS ONLY 5 REGION AS GIVEN) So in this case, May i still use V024 as strata? or i need another variable?
tab V024
Region Freq. Percent Cum.
West 651 16.88 16.88
South 497 12.89 29.76
Central 666 17.27 47.03
North 352 9.13 56.16
East 1,691 43.84 100.00
Total 3,857 100.00
For instance i will use the following variable as INDEPENEDENT VARIABLE SHOWING regional breakdown(the variable name is SREGION12). Assuming V024 is strata, Do i need a different starata for 12 regions. Because in the I WILL ASK STATA TO CALCULATE CLUSTERED STANDARD ERRORS?
tab SREGION12
Region of residence
(12) Freq. Percent Cum.
Istanbul 192 4.98 4.98
West Marmara 119 3.09 8.06
Aegean 215 5.57 13.64
East Marmara 216 5.60 19.24
West Anatolia 271 7.03 26.26
Mediterranean 497 12.89 39.15
Central Anatolia 252 6.53 45.68
West Black Sea 245 6.35 52.04
East Black Sea 159 4.12 56.16
Northeast Anatolia 400 10.37 66.53
Central East Anatolia 468 12.13 78.66
Southeast Anatolia 823 21.34 100.00
Total 3,857 100.00




Re: declaring child survey in Stata [message #4004 is a reply to message #3926] 
Mon, 16 March 2015 21:27 
TrevorDHS
Messages: 534 Registered: January 2013

Senior Member 


I'll respond to the 3 posts in order. First, though, are you using Stata or SPSS? The first code examples were in Stata, but the data files you sent were in SPSS.
First message
1a)
I don't understand how the 2003 data are not affected if the policy change took place in 1997.
You don't need to use year variables  you just need a variable that differentiates between the two surveys, so you can use your created variable v0 (phase). From this you can easily create your dummy variables.
gen d2003 = (v0==3)
gen d2008 = (v0==4)
1b) I don't understand your comment about VOO1 and V001. I only see v001 in your dataset. You can use the code I gave above but with v0 instead of year to create your new psu and new stratum variables.
egen newpsu = group(v0 v001)
egen newstr = group(v0 v023)
these can be done before or after pooling the data, but you need v023 in the dataset.
1d) I don't know what you mean by pseudo panel level, but I think your weight variable is ok after dividing by 1000000.
4) v022 provides a pairing or grouping of PSUs known as implicit strata that used to be for the calculation of sampling errors. We no longer recommend that approach, but rather to use the explicit strata that were defined for the survey and are found in v023.
5) You can do the pooling of datasets just as easily in Stata, using the append command.
Second message:
1) After looking at thew report, there are in fact 40 strata in the 2003 survey (see appendix B of the 2003 report), and I believe 36 in 2008 (I can't access the report due to a slow connection where I am currently). For the 2003 survey you can recode v0, sprovin and v025 to produce a variable with 40 categories that matches the strata given on page 169 of the 2003 report. Do something similar to produce the strata used for the 2008 survey.
Alternatively, you can use a more approximate definition of strata and just use v023. For the 2008 data you can create v023 as follows:
egen newv023 = group(v024 v025)
check that the coding of the resulting variable matches the codes used for 2003. You would then create a variable that separates these by survey using v0 as described earlier.
(I don't recommend this, but it probably won't make much difference in your significance test results).
2) You can include whichever region variables you wish to as independent variables. The variables used as strata and the variables used as independent variables do not have to match. See 1) just above about strata  it is not v024, but the 40 strata shown on page 189 (for 2003).
Third message:
DHS data are not panel data  the respondents, households, and clusters are not the same from one survey to the next  so I would not be declaring the data as panel data. You should be using the svyset and svy commands in your analysis.





Re: declaring child survey in Stata [message #4124 is a reply to message #4122] 
Thu, 02 April 2015 13:07 
ReducedFor(u)m
Messages: 269 Registered: March 2013

Senior Member 


I think that musti wants to cluster standard errors from a single regression to get consistent standard error estimates and the standard in DiffinDiff is to cluster at the regional level at which your exposure/treatment variable is defined.
In that case, one way to do it would be to change your svyset command to cluster at the region instead of the PSU. That said, you can't usually get consistent SE estimates from only 12 regions (you need like 30 or 40+ clusters for those to work). The usual way is some sort of fancy cluster bootstrap (Wildt or something like that)  see Cameron, Gelbach and Miller "Bootstrap Based Improvements for Inference with Clustered Errors"
https://ideas.repec.org/a/tpr/restat/v90y2008i3p414427.html
That is a bit technical, but one thing you could do is just set your svyset with region replacing PSU, and then use the T_10 (12 regions  2) distribution for critical values. That is  you would need a tstat of 1.812 for 90% confidence or 2.228 for 95% (two sided).
http://bcs.whfreeman.com/ips6e/content/cat_050/ips6e_tabled .pdf




Re: declaring child survey in Stata [message #13240 is a reply to message #13236] 
Sun, 08 October 2017 16:52 
ReducedFor(u)m
Messages: 269 Registered: March 2013

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Yes, you still have to worry about weighting, in the sense that if you want population level estimates of parameters (means/levels/distributions), and/or if you want to compare values/levels/coefficients from survey round to round (though with some caveats depending on what coefficient you might be interested in).
If the sample sizes are similar from survey round to round, you can get away with not adjusting the weights, but in general an easy way to deal with it is to add up the total sum of weights for each survey round and divide each individual weight by the sum of that survey's weights. The problem is just that the weights add up to something like the sample size, so if sample sizes change a lot you could end up weighting one survey a lot and another not very much. Maybe that makes sense (an observation is an observation) but it doesn't make sense in many contexts.
You will need to create new clusterID variables by, say, taking on a survey round identifier of some sort (so if the cluster variable value is 37 in the data, make it 199837 for cluster 37 in 1998, and 200337 for the 2003 cluster with the value of 37 (or whatever, that is just an example).
I have no idea what you are trying to do, so it is very hard for me to give you specific Stata advice, but I may be able to give some sort of guidance if you gave me more detail on what you were trying to accomplish.



Re: declaring child survey in Stata [message #13242 is a reply to message #13240] 
Sun, 08 October 2017 17:52 
habt_lancs
Messages: 15 Registered: July 2017 Location: Lancaster, UK

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Thanks so much. I understand the weighting and denormalization process.
On the last point, I am working on a diffindiff estimator where the interest variable is measured at region level. So, i understand i have to cluster the standard errors by region level as a result of the specification. In the estimation i use regxfe as i include number of fixed effects.
But the sampling design also required me to cluster at the psu level, where i follow:
*tell Stata the weight (using pweights for robust standard errors), cluster (psu), and strata:
svyset [pweight=weight], psu(v021) strata(strata)
So my point is should i cluster only at region level, if so should i still define the svyset?
Or, Should i cluster both by psu and region ? I guess i may have to follow C.G.M method in this case.
And my last question is when you use commands like regxfe, does the svyset technique still the same?
Best,



Re: declaring child survey in Stata [message #13245 is a reply to message #13242] 
Sun, 08 October 2017 21:11 
ReducedFor(u)m
Messages: 269 Registered: March 2013

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You should just cluster by region. First you should make sure all the regions are the same in all 3 rounds...sometimes they change, and you'd have to adjust for that (just because two regions are "region 3" in two different surveys doesn't mean they are exactly the same region). Since no PSU spans two regions, you are implicitly clustering on PSU (you only have to cluster on the "higher" level). So set your clustering to region (with the caveat above about matching regions carefully), you don't need CGM stuff... (at least not for multiway clustering....maybe for small number of clusters if you have less than, say, 40ish regions).
If the "svy:" prefix works, then it should work right. But I tend to use "xtreg" without the "svy:" prefix and set the clustering level and weighting myself. I haven't used the regxfe, but you should be able to set it all in the command itself you want (as options, not using 'svy').





Re: declaring child survey in Stata [message #13269 is a reply to message #13257] 
Wed, 11 October 2017 13:26 
ReducedFor(u)m
Messages: 269 Registered: March 2013

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"should i still be concerned about the sampling design/ the stratification?"...
If you cluster and weight using xtreg/regxfe you ARE accounting for sampling design. That is all the "svy" prefix is doing too. You need to account for nonindependence of observations (clustering and stratification) and nonrandomness of cluster sampling (weighting). The "svy" command is just one way to tell the regression to cluster and weight  it is like putting in the options after comma in a regression code, it just lets you set that up once and then use the "svy" prefix instead of writing the code options directly into regression command.
But basically, they are doing exactly the same thing mathematically, there are just two ways to tell Stata to do that thing (with some very small caveats about the particular algorithms each version calls but which doesn't really matter much here).
Also just to be clear: "So when we use svy, we are not only implementing weighting but also taking in to account the sampling design/ the stratification."... that is true if you have included both the weighting and stratification/PSU information in the "svyset" command. You have to tell the "svy" prefix what to do first, but assuming you did that as recommended here, then yes, it covers both aspects of survey design corrections (the point estimate problem fixed with weighting; and the SE/pval problem with stratification and clustering).




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